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Yes, the title of my
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cities, of course, but

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also on ongoing developments
in our experiences,

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starting from the example of

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Leving.

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where we move towards what we call
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And I hope to make clear
what that entails later on.

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This is my outline.

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I do not have to repeat for most
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from the idea of restorative

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justice and the place of restorative
justice civil society, but still I

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would like to highlight a couple of

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insights about that.

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My second point is then on how to
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referring to the case of Leuven, and

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then the most important one,
the third part of my talk will

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be about building resilient

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societies with two moves,
which I will explain immediately.

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So.

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Okay, it is.

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Clear enough that indeed when when
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city in2015 in Leuven,
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and ideas of restorative

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justice.

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And once again, I don't have to
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restorative justice is.

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We are all familiar, I think,
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from the United Nations, from the

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European Forum, from the European
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of Europe.

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And you know that.

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Commonality, a lot of similarity,
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these definitions about
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It is also.

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clear that restorative justice
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most practices worldwide

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I think is a very much individualizing
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this this this this this this this

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um this this this this this this this
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this this this this this
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from Adam Crawford uh makes

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clear what a distinction might be
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community justice and I think for
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for the for our today's conference
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this this this this this this this
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this this kind of distinction

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Uh might might be um relevant.

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As as you can see in restorative
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my slides, we are leaving, we are

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starting from particular
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What happens to persons,
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we start from a collective experience.

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What happens to the community?

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Not what happens to an individual
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important as well,
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responsibility of an individual
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From this community you
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approach very much from

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indigenous justice systems,
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peacemaking circles, for example, in

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Yeah, restorative justice,
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oriented justice system.

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including crime prevention.

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We want to improve community level
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Restorative justice works where
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the outcome of the program.

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That is something we are
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in restorative justice evaluation.

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in a given place has been improved.

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In restorative justice, we are talking
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Community justice is much more
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is also interested in how can we

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transform communities, which is
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restoring communities.

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So some of these distinctions are
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Um, this having said,
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achievements in reserve

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justice.

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Uh, we know what the quad what
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We know that.

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Practices are of high quality in many,
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In most countries, we know that
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There's a lot of scientific evidence,
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in many, many countries.

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that in a quantitative way
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countries, where there are relatively
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compare it with the case slot of the

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cards, it it remains.

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Not marginal, but very low.

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So the potential of restorative
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our or was our conclusion.

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And there's a dominant focus in the
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such as in mediation and conferencing

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programs on the relationship with
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which might be important, but that

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has also reduced our attention from
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individualizing approach as I have
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sufficiently embedded in society

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So to strengthen the movement of
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enhance support from society in a

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passive way in order to show
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policy support for reservative

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justice, but also in an active way
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capable to participate
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conferencing programs, for

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We understood that we need
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not just a community of care.

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inequalities.

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structural inequality problems
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in larger in a larger

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societal context.

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to other sectors in society and also
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affiliate much more with other
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to bring restorative justice
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isolation in a certain way

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society more widely and more

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effectively, and how to contribute to
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as Emma mentioned as well
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More than10 years ago,
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should do something more

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proactively at the community level.

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to developing a restorative city.

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You recognize the picture,
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some of you have visited

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frequently in the past, I think.

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Leuven is not a big city,
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university city as well,
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There are many major companies,
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It is not a poor city,
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a social democratic government

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for many years already.

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And research has shown that there
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amongst citizens and towards
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Theur slogan of Love
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turning conflicts into opportunities.

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And this is our law that
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Now I could try to show a very
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but I'm a little bit concerned
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I I can give it a try,
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illustration on how we have
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articlesity familiar and

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known to the local community,
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I I can try to open it,
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it very quickly if I

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see that it does not work, okay?

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Is it okay?

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We just see the the slide what
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We don't see the video.

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Could you maybe copy the link in
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It does not work, Valentine,
I give it up here.

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I do not want to traumatize you,
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traumatize myself longer.

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Is it okay that I just continue?

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Go on, go on,
even we are not traumatized.

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You are not yet traumatized.

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I just continue in a safe way,
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Turning conflicts into opportunities.

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We spent quite a lot of time in the
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do we really want?

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Because intuitively we felt we
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of people thinking the same way,
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organizations, and quite a lot of

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in learning from services,
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Still, we found it important to make
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more explicit,
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And the general objectives
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these to promote dialogue

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and restorative oriented ways
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conflicts, tensions, and

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polarization in various contexts
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So that might be very
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and that does maybe not say that much

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in order to realize these
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polarizing tendencies, otherness,
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rebuild trust.

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Not very surprising, maybe,
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to make these objectives and values
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Love restorative city is
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network where participation of

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organizations and citizens is being
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where where where where where
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value can be found in innovative
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The network stands for a horizontal
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striving for an optimal balance

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society at large, at a local level,
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sensibilization
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settings.

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citizen, where there's a high
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another mindset.

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In our case, a restorative justice
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thinking, and

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Where common values, principles,
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developed,
where some types and degrees of

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regulation exist,
where independent can be guaranteed,

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inequality and discrimination

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combated, and where various
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considered, but also where there is

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room for surprises.

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So this might sound a little
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That can be a school,
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company, that can even be a
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a football club, for example.

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settings.

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It are social settings
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Dealing a lot with each other,
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and where they

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interact with each other,
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tensions, conflicts emerge
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that respond to this kind of

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criteria on the list here on
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these are interesting and unique

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places for us to start working in.

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But to help us to select the types
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we where we found it might make sense
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We also defined our operational
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to deepen restorative values,

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principle, skills, and practices
within organizations in Leven.

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The second one is on promoting
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and practices in society at

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large by by by implementing
communication information strategy to

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citizens with respect to restorative
justice and restorative approaches.

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But also by implementing this strategy
with respect to the offer to

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organizations and cooperation
opportunities, to offer training,

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coaching, and other types of

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support to organizations, and then
also to design,

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to test out, to implement

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innovative and participatory methods
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And I come back to that immediately.

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We also wanted to make existing
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services in Leuven.

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more accessible for a wide public.

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This was one of the findings,
and that might also be

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recognizable for many of you

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mediation services and all the
restorative justice programs.

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rely very much for their cases
from the criminal justice system,

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from the police, from the public
prosecutor, from the judge,

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from probation, from the prison
system, from victim support

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maybe.

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So what we wanted to do is
that people find their way

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directly and autonomously
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programs without necessarily

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being be referred by other
organizations or institutions.

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We also build a structure
for love restorative city.

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It is a network organization.

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We try to make it a network and
not to not to build another

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organization, but much more to
bring organizations together.

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much heavy structure

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with representatives from multiple
sectors in society, not just

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Social organizations, but also private
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schools, etc.,

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where we are working towards a
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together by a common framework.

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So I can also show you immediately
the next slide, I think,

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which presents this structure

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as well.

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So love restorative city
as network members.

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Both individual citizens can become
a network member, but also an

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organization can become
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And you become a network member by
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And shorter.

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Well, we have a steering group,
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with a smaller

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group, a general general meeting of
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I forgot to mention that, we

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created also an legal entity.

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We have been reflecting a lot about do
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But as we wanted to apply for more
funding and to hire personal

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staff, it became important to
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make these things possible.

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So therefore we needed the
general meeting of our the NGO

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and a board, but we made it

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broader a steering group,
respectively, a management group.

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and we have a network coordination.

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Coordination was

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was uh represented by
one person uh full time

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Uh a full time uh coordinator.

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But uh this full-time coordinator
um is no longer in uh in in uh

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active uh because of
a lack of funding.

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And once again, I go back to what
Marianne and Federica

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mentioned as well.

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I think we uh enjoyed funding
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city council of Leuven during
five years, and we received

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about sixty five thousand euros

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per year, and that made it possible
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Professional.

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That was our coordinator.

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That was deemed by us as essential.

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So we are now in a bad situation,
so to say, that we cannot continue

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with many of our activities
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Here you see also in this slide the
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we we we we we we have and had

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domain specific working groups
thematic working groups and

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more methodological working

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groups

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Here you see these working
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a working group on education, which

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was until recently active,
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a working group

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on research and international
cooperation, and a working

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group on private companies.

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So that all was coordinated and
supported by steering group and

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management group and
by coordinator and

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by volunteers.

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How are we doing that?

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Well, here you see that these
operational objectives are coming

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back that I presented a couple of

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slides ago.

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We try to reach out to the public,
to society at large,

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by sensibilization and

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inspiration activities.

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We created a website,
we launched one once a month a news

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flash to several hundreds of
people and organizations.

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We set up communication campaigns,
we had LRC leven.

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City cafes, where we were just in an
informal way discussing discussing

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new developments or new initiatives.

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We had restorative city walks
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Th these were all initiatives to
reach out to a larger public.

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As was said as well, we try to
facilitate mutual exchange and

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cooperation and support
between partner

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organizations by intervision,
supervision, and by working groups.

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Third one, operational objectives,
developing restorative skills in

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society through training and

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coaching.

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We worked with some schools,
with some companies, and then the

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fourth operational objectives, this is

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this test testing new methodologies
such as democratic dialogue

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tables.

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This is in Dutch language the shorter,
so very simple document that

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people, members, be it individual
citizens or organizations were

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supposed to sign, and you can

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sign that online on the website,
when they want to join

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Löwen Restorative

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City.

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This is another example of a campaign
we did a couple of years ago.

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We put on QR codes throughout the

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city stories, stories of people who
have participated in mediation, for

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example.

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And people who were in the city and
were taking a rest

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can have a look, can

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listen in this way to these stories.

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This is the city hall with
one event of Lovers of the

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City with the major in the

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middle there.

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I will not deal with these
lessons from restorative city.

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Restorative cities because these
insights are coming from the

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European forum working group on

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restorative cities,
and I can imagine that in the

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afternoon my colleagues will deal with

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these lessons and these
insights much more in depth.

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And also my time is too much limited
to deal with this all,

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but we try to be

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aware of lessons.

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What do we learn from each other?

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What are the conditions
to make it happen?

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What are the challenges?

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That's it for that.

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So let's move towards our
more recent developments.

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And the first move was to set
up democratic dialogue tables.

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We called it chat tables.

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And here again, I could try,
but I will not not not not not not not

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not not not not not reoffend here.

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I could try to show a video on what
democratic dialogue tables are,

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but you can have a look at it later on
if these slides are made available.

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Not a democratic dialogue table.

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Yes.

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A democratic dialogue
table is not a debate.

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It is a gathering of a small
group of people,10 to15

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people usually, where there is not
a discussion, where there is not

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where we do try to convince
each other, but where people

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are sharing their own

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perspectives, when you're listening
to others out of curiosity.

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So

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Once again, it is not a discussion.

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We do in a dialogue table
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but we try to set up

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a dialogue and to develop
listening skills without judgment,

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without judging the others,
without criticizing the

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opinion of others, without

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trying to convince others.

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So we did quite a lot of
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and these were some

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of the topics that were being dealt
with in these dialogue tables.

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We were interested in dealing with

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Delicate or difficult topics.

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So when when when when when when
when when when when when for

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example international conflicts
um at a certain moment at

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the university there were many
students who were struggling with

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um with with uh the the the the
the the the the the the the

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with the middle east and with the
gaza uh and with what was happening

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there and with international

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conflicts in general but
people at the university the

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students themselves told

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us we are not able to talk

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to each other about this.

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We are polarized a lot amongst us and
we do not dare to set up dialogue

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amongst us about what to think
about these international such

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international conflicts.

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So that was an example of a
topic for which it is difficult

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for people to talk to each

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other.

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And the other examples on these
slides are functioning the same

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way.

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When is a person sufficiently
punished, for example?

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Having a house to live,
is that a privilege

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or is that a right?

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We had a dialogue table on the pride,
on the pride event,

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for example, and on

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many other topics.

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I repeat, yeah,
we were dealing with topics.

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on which people usually are
not talking to each other.

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Difficult topics.

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So that are the
interesting topics for us.

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So um we we developed a methodology
to set up such a dialogue

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table.

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Where we are to share on perspectives,
to listen curiously,

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and to postpone your judgment

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and to respect everyone's perspective.

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So much more can be said about that,
but again, I do not have the time.

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We made at the end of these two years
experience experience a handbook, a

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manual on chat tables.

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It is an inspiration guides for
difficult talks, as you can read

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there.

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Translated the Dutch title of this.

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And this is a visual presentation
of the contents of this manual,

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but it is only available

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00:28:22,020 --> 00:28:23,019
in Dutch.

511
00:28:24,150 --> 00:28:27,660
So that was a second move,
a first move,

512
00:28:27,661 --> 00:28:29,579
to develop a methodology, an

513
00:28:29,580 --> 00:28:34,380
innovative methodology to make
difficult talks possible

514
00:28:34,381 --> 00:28:35,390
between people.

515
00:28:36,029 --> 00:28:38,980
How did we evaluate this
democratic dialogue tables?

516
00:28:38,980 --> 00:28:41,140
Well, it seemed to work.

517
00:28:41,141 --> 00:28:45,059
It seems to be possible to
organize talks on difficult

518
00:28:45,060 --> 00:28:46,980
topics between people who

519
00:28:46,980 --> 00:28:51,539
would normally not talk to
the other on these issues.

520
00:28:51,540 --> 00:28:55,460
What was also positive was
that the rotating system of

521
00:28:55,461 --> 00:28:57,220
involving various dialogue

522
00:28:57,221 --> 00:29:00,980
moderators or facilitators was a
rewarding and in a

523
00:29:00,980 --> 00:29:02,420
certain way educational

524
00:29:02,421 --> 00:29:03,460
experience.

525
00:29:03,461 --> 00:29:04,869
So these were not always the

526
00:29:05,250 --> 00:29:07,049
Time facilitators.

527
00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:09,900
that we're leading
the dialogue tables.

528
00:29:09,901 --> 00:29:10,859
No.

529
00:29:10,860 --> 00:29:12,430
We we we we we we we we
we we we intentionally

530
00:29:13,569 --> 00:29:19,059
tried to encourage people to take
up the role of facilitator.

531
00:29:19,470 --> 00:29:23,309
And this kind of rotating system
was rewarding for people.

532
00:29:23,310 --> 00:29:26,829
They had the feeling that you
were able to help other people

533
00:29:26,830 --> 00:29:28,960
to talk about difficult things.

534
00:29:30,180 --> 00:29:32,259
But there were still challenges.

535
00:29:32,260 --> 00:29:36,579
Reaching out to some minority groups
or to people who were

536
00:29:36,580 --> 00:29:37,700
not interested in

537
00:29:37,701 --> 00:29:40,500
talking, in consultation,
in deliberation,

538
00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:43,140
or in politics in general remained an

539
00:29:43,141 --> 00:29:44,230
important.

540
00:29:44,619 --> 00:29:45,660
Challenge.

541
00:29:45,661 --> 00:29:50,940
So it was not so difficult for us
to reach people who were open

542
00:29:50,941 --> 00:29:56,859
already to talk about difficult
things, but we were not so successful

543
00:29:56,860 --> 00:30:02,779
in reaching having access to
minority groups or to less less

544
00:30:02,780 --> 00:30:06,059
motivated, less interested people.

545
00:30:06,060 --> 00:30:10,220
And also sometimes the groups
of10,15 people around the

546
00:30:10,221 --> 00:30:11,579
dialogue table were too

547
00:30:11,580 --> 00:30:12,859
homogeneous.

548
00:30:12,860 --> 00:30:14,269
And there was not enough difference.

549
00:30:14,509 --> 00:30:17,230
Not enough friction of opinions.

550
00:30:17,230 --> 00:30:19,069
So that was another challenge.

551
00:30:19,070 --> 00:30:23,230
Therefore, we felt the need to
strengthen the model of

552
00:30:23,230 --> 00:30:24,750
democratic dialogue

553
00:30:24,750 --> 00:30:25,549
tables.

554
00:30:25,550 --> 00:30:31,470
But there were more challenges.

555
00:30:31,471 --> 00:30:33,630
I ask you to come to a conclusion.

556
00:30:33,631 --> 00:30:37,470
You reach the end of your time and you
want to leave a bit of time for the

557
00:30:37,471 --> 00:30:40,509
questions.

558
00:30:40,510 --> 00:30:41,789
There were more challenges.

559
00:30:41,790 --> 00:30:43,440
We wanted to apply the
model of dialogue table.

560
00:30:43,559 --> 00:30:46,670
to larger groups, not just10,15
people, but two two two two two two

561
00:30:46,671 --> 00:30:48,269
two two two two two two two two two
two two two two two two bigger groups.

562
00:30:48,270 --> 00:30:52,109
And we also wanted and that is the
new element to integrate an element

563
00:30:52,110 --> 00:30:54,190
of deliberation or participatory

564
00:30:54,191 --> 00:30:58,349
decision making in order to
respond to the need of transformation

565
00:30:58,350 --> 00:30:59,869
in order to exercise some

566
00:30:59,870 --> 00:31:03,630
public influence related to
issues of common interest.

567
00:31:03,631 --> 00:31:08,990
So where I said previously that the
goal of dialogue tables was not to

568
00:31:08,990 --> 00:31:13,200
formulate recommendations
or to come to consensus.

569
00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:16,990
No, we still, still, nevertheless,
we want to make a next move,

570
00:31:16,990 --> 00:31:19,230
next step, where we want to

571
00:31:19,230 --> 00:31:23,470
extend this, and where we want
to further develop this model

572
00:31:23,471 --> 00:31:25,230
so where deliberation and

573
00:31:25,230 --> 00:31:28,829
participatory decision making
in a democratic way would

574
00:31:28,830 --> 00:31:30,240
become possible as well.

575
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:36,670
So we try to reach out to strengthen
the model to other groups in

576
00:31:36,671 --> 00:31:42,269
society representing national ethnical
ethnic religious gender based

577
00:31:42,270 --> 00:31:46,910
minorities or disabled persons,
and also we have to do

578
00:31:46,911 --> 00:31:48,190
much more effort to

579
00:31:48,191 --> 00:31:53,470
involve so-called uninterested
citizens who may possibly have extreme

580
00:31:53,471 --> 00:31:55,759
ideological or social attitudes.

581
00:31:56,609 --> 00:32:02,049
So we also want to diversify our
dialogue tables in cooperation with

582
00:32:02,050 --> 00:32:05,410
neighborhood committees and also
to set up it much more,

583
00:32:05,411 --> 00:32:07,809
not just in the city, but also in

584
00:32:07,810 --> 00:32:10,609
local villages in a rural environment.

585
00:32:10,610 --> 00:32:14,049
So this is my last, I think, slide.

586
00:32:14,050 --> 00:32:19,569
How to further develop model,
we will extend the extent the idea of

587
00:32:19,570 --> 00:32:22,660
dialogue tables to what we
call community circles.

588
00:32:23,170 --> 00:32:26,130
In cooperation with social
cultural organizations,

589
00:32:26,131 --> 00:32:29,009
also in cooperation with sports clubs.

590
00:32:29,010 --> 00:32:34,690
We want to expand that much more
proactively, community circles, but we

591
00:32:34,691 --> 00:32:38,849
want also the design and test
a model of transformative

592
00:32:38,850 --> 00:32:40,690
community circles, community

593
00:32:40,691 --> 00:32:44,450
circles, where we try to integrate
this element of deliberation

594
00:32:44,451 --> 00:32:46,690
and participatory decision

595
00:32:46,691 --> 00:32:47,690
making.

596
00:32:48,220 --> 00:32:54,210
Our perspective is that we in that
way can build a resistance to

597
00:32:54,211 --> 00:32:59,730
hardening politics, to polarizing
tendencies in society, and that we

598
00:32:59,730 --> 00:33:05,650
contribute to paving the road to
innovative citizens governance spaces,

599
00:33:05,651 --> 00:33:06,609
so to say.

600
00:33:06,610 --> 00:33:12,210
So that are the new developments,
and that is what we would try to

601
00:33:12,211 --> 00:33:17,859
further develop in the coming period,
if we find some.

602
00:33:17,980 --> 00:33:19,569
additional resources.

603
00:33:19,570 --> 00:33:23,730
And here I present you
some sources as well.

604
00:33:23,730 --> 00:33:28,690
You might be familiar with this
literature on restorative cities.

605
00:33:28,691 --> 00:33:30,019
Thank you for your attention.
